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Since I'm not going to be able to sleep anytime soon anyway...

I never cry over tv, execpt for the B5 finale, but that's a good kind of crying, if that makes any sense, nothing like the emotional wringer that were the last two hours of CoE, and I don't know if I want to strangle RTD right now (mostly that), or applaud him, because if he was going to kill TW as we knew it, he at least did it with style, logic, and one hell of a bang. I'm still shaking. And if if it ever gets out that this is because JB wanted to quit I'm gonna kill him, swear to God. Or at least ritually burn every CD, mp3, book, jpg., whatever.


I was watching the first episode and thought I liked the new doctor guy. God, I feel so stupid. It's like that thought belongs to a whole different world.

When Tosh and Owen died at least there was a chance that Torchwood still would go on, depending on finances and BBC politics and whatnot. Now I assume it's just over, because Jack won't come back to this, not even this planet for a long while, not after what he did, and if it's, say, Gwen and Martha, or Gwen and whatshername, or Gwen and James Marsters, or PC Andy, or Rhys, it just won't be Torchwood any longer. Not my Torchwood, not without Jack. (Although OTOH, he's supposed to be in the DW specials, or did I get that wrong?)

And for once Jack is right, it was totally his fault. For being so goddamn bloody apathetic back then that he didn't even care, for being so cold that this calculation made sense and actually being able go through with it. And now that Ianto made him care enough to make a stand, the consequenes killed Ianto. And pretty much destroyed Jack, for a long time. I didn't want to be right about this, about Jack's dark Torchwood past catching up with him, not like this. And I'm sorry about that post speculating about S2 with (un)dead Ianto and whether it'd have made dramatic sense. I take it back, all right? I take it back. Although it'd at least hurt less if he'd killed Ianto last season.

I didn't even know I was invested in that bloody ship that much. Oh, right, I don't know how many thousand words spent analysing notwithstanding, but I really didn't know a tv show could make me hurt like that. And it all feels so stupid now, such a waste, such a classic case of no life.


It would be easier if I could at least hate it, but it was too good for that, even if it's leaving me crying and shaking and completely heartbroken and was probably the most depressing thing I've seen on tv, ever.


And for once I'm cursing TW's brutally atheistic theology, because despite her grief Delenn knew, or believed, she'd be seeing John again, in some way, and you couldn't help sharing her trust in that.

I really could use something like that now.


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timberwolfoz
Jul. 20th, 2009 02:34 am (UTC)
I didn't even know I was invested in that bloody ship that much. Oh, right, I don't know how many thousand words spent analysing notwithstanding, but I really didn't know a tv show could make me hurt like that. And it all feels so stupid now, such a waste, such a classic case of no life.

If it makes you feel better, you're most definitely not the only one, nor are you the only one who was surprised that they were so invested in the show and the relationship. I'd only given it a passing thought over the last year or so and I'm staggering around in shock, and many others have reported just the same. Check the posts via torchwood_three, or check my delicios.us under the tags s3 torchwood and meta.

It also says a lot that I couldn't get onto the chat after midday AEST the day s5 aired.

rm reported that people are leaving flowers outside the tourist office location in Cardiff. And there are three charity drives related to TW that are mounting up in terms of $ earned.

As for the aetheistic theology, in S1E1 Jack was asking if the random person killed saw anything, like he expected that he did. And it's my contention that if Jack never sees anything, it's because he's Not Dead Yet (ObMontyPython).
solitary_summer
Jul. 20th, 2009 02:54 am (UTC)
that people are leaving flowers outside the tourist office location in Cardiff.

If I lived anywhere in the vicinity or at least in the country, I'd actually be tempted do that too, and I'm not generally someone who does that kind of thing.

I haven't looked at anything even possibly TW related since I came back from holiday, but I'll definitely have to catch up once I get a few hours of sleep. Good thing I still don't have to work tomorrow...
timberwolfoz
Jul. 20th, 2009 03:14 am (UTC)
I made a donation to the charity rivier linked to, and I do feel a bit better for it. Especially when I donated the amount I'd've spent on the DVD and, like others, said exactly that.

I've been living on the internetz over the last week, when I haven't had to do other things. So Much To Read.
solitary_summer
Jul. 20th, 2009 10:44 am (UTC)
I just made one, too, and strangely it does make me feel a bit better, too.

Thanks for the tip.
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solitary_summer
Jul. 20th, 2009 09:20 am (UTC)
I agree.

If I ever can bring myself to rewatch that I'll probably post something more coherent, but I can't hate it either. Jack's arc has its inner logic, and considering how experimental Jack/Ianto were written in S1, and how improvised in S2, this was a definite improvement, where every Jack/Ianto scene was spot-on and there was a definite development. I was thinking, that scene when Jack and Ianto finally confront the aliens in the glass cage, that was such a powerful moment, when you see them standing there, as a couple, acting and thinking in unison - no matter how much Jack hates the word, which I don't actually think he does; he's just convinced that this is a very bad idea for everyone involved, because he knows himself, the darkness inside him, and how dangerous it can be to people he loves. Of course I wish Ianto had survived, but that was groundbreaking regardless.

And it was Ianto who made Jack stand up to them this time, rather then Gwen, which proves that Ianto's opinion of him matters to Jack.

Torchwood has always been about consequences and moral dilemmas and things that cannot be fixed, and CoE is taking that to its brutally logical conclusion. I wish it'd gone different, but at least from where I'm standing now I can sort of respect the ending.
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solitary_summer
Jul. 20th, 2009 05:43 pm (UTC)
Looks like there might be, or at least RTD sees to be willing to do it, although I can't see myself how that could even be done, either with Jack, or without him.

I really hope they won't just so to speak reset Jack in the DW special and then put him into TW again, 'business as usual', like you said, because then I'm going to be really angry. Mostly I don't want Jack to come back to Torchwood at all; it never was a good place for him to be, not with all the moral dilemmas and with people dying like flies around him. And I'd like to believe that this will be some sort of turning point for him after the last 100+ years, something that leaves a lasting impact. Well, one can hope.
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solitary_summer
Jul. 21st, 2009 05:35 am (UTC)
I can't decide whether I would like that or not.

Me neither! :)

The part of me that believes in artistic integrity says 'no', the part that is just a sad fangirl, says 'yes, yes, yes, pretty please'...
un_crayon_rouge
Jul. 20th, 2009 09:50 am (UTC)
Oh God. I don't know what all this is about, but I suspect I really really don't want to know :-(

I'm sorry you're feeling rotten though, I hope it gets better soon.

Technical question - is CoE part of S3, or is it some kind of special?
solitary_summer
Jul. 20th, 2009 10:21 am (UTC)
Well, if you thought S1 was depressing... das war noch gar nichts, im Vergleich. If you want details, tell me. OTOH, if you want to watch it, keep the tissues handy, and someone to hug you when it's finished, and probably during, because you'll need it, believe me.


CoE is S3; a single, five one-hour episodes story; apparently they were budget problems involved or something like that.
solitary_summer
Jul. 28th, 2009 08:21 pm (UTC)
If you ever happen to watch it (which I kind of, actually, *do* recommend - it's depressing as hell, but it's one of the best things I've seen on tv for a very long while), I'd love to hear what you think of it. I've had a couple of discussions recently that make me wonder if I'm either going crazy or have been watching a totally different show...
elisi
Aug. 24th, 2009 01:50 pm (UTC)
Followed a link from your big essay, and find myself nodding along to a lot of this.

Day 4 *killed* me. I've never, ever cried over a fictional character's death that much. (And I graduated from the School of Joss, I could see all the signs...) In a way it sort of helped come Day 5, at least initially, because I had a 'Well screw it, just kill 'em ALL I don't care anymore' attitude. I figured something might happen to Steven, since why else introduce a child, but once I realised that RTD was actually going to go there I was utterly horrified, because that really wasn't what I'd meant. Still - I admire him for doing it, despite everything.

I know that there's talk about a S4 now, and I can't see how it'd work either. For me the show is as dead as can be, and I rather loved the ending (all my thoughts here, in case you're curious). If there is a S4, then (to me) it'll be a new thing.

I kinda waffled, I hope that OK?
solitary_summer
Aug. 24th, 2009 08:55 pm (UTC)
Of course that's ok! :)

I downloaded all the episodes since I had no idea that the DVDs would be released so soon, so I went from Day Four to Day Five without giving myself the time to think about much of anything, but when I realised Jack was actually going to do this, I thought, he isn't going to come out of this sane. People complained about the 'six months later' for all kinds of reasons, but I can't even imagine the state Jack must have been in immediately after, once he had time to actually think about it all. Ianto's funeral. Steven's funeral, which of course he couldn't even attend. Sheer hell, and no one he could turn to, because even Gwen, especially Gwen, who still has a husband, who is going to have a child, can't make this situation any better.

What struck me the second time I watched hollywoodgrrl's vid is that this is exactly how Jack sees himself by the end of CoE, and it really shows what a painful and fundamentally bad place TW was for him to be in, and I'm not even sure I want him to go back there, if that makes any sense, which it probably doesn't, considering he's a fictional character.
elisi
Aug. 24th, 2009 09:08 pm (UTC)
People complained about the 'six months later' for all kinds of reasons, but I can't even imagine the state Jack must have been in immediately after, once he had time to actually think about it all.
Indeed. Also agree v. much re. your points about Gwen.

it really shows what a painful and fundamentally bad place TW was for him to be in, and I'm not even sure I want him to go back there, if that makes any sense
Oh those were my thoughts too, almost exactly! (I wrote them down here.)

Also, noticed that you friended me! *friends back*
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