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I'm actually starting to get a bit apprehensive that all this campaigning to bring Ianto back is going to backfire spectacularly. Because no one tell me JKR wasn't smirking when she wrote that line about how Harry only ever loved Hermione a sister, and vice versa.

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yehnica
Jan. 6th, 2010 01:08 am (UTC)
That campaign is bordering on creepy now, that's what it is. And I thought it was a nice thing at first.
solitary_summer
Jan. 6th, 2010 12:18 pm (UTC)
Yes. I don't know what they think spamming the BBC with emails is supposed to achieve. Do they expect the BBC to force RTD to bring Ianto back? Make him see the error of his ways? Fire him? Not that I think it's going to work, but, theoretically speaking, do they think forcing someone who has been outspoken about his dislike of fans influencing a writer's choices (or a writer letting him/herself be influenced by fan-reaction) to undo a story he's clearly proud of and write something he already said he wouldn't write is going to get the results they want?
timberwolfoz
Jan. 6th, 2010 01:18 am (UTC)
I unsubscribed at the time of the .pdf document because it was going from enthusiastic to unhinged.

People slag off antigwenallies but it's a haven of sanity by comparison.
solitary_summer
Jan. 6th, 2010 12:26 pm (UTC)
That pdf was... special. And expecting someone to read that and come out of it convinced that, yes, indeed, they must bring Ianto back now, is really a bit delusional.
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solitary_summer
Jan. 6th, 2010 12:01 pm (UTC)
OTOH... I agree that it could be read that way, and RTD would have to be a saint for the thought not to have at least crossed his mind.

OTOH I don't think that was the primary motivation, or even affected the writing of the scene. Given the brevity of the scene, and taking into account that it has to work both for TW fans and for people who haven't seen CoE, it's probably the most inherently logical solution linking Who-verse and TW-verse Jack. Considering how the Doctor rebuked Jack like a child for as little as flirting every single time, I think it conveys without even addressing the matter that he both understands what Jack did in CoE and isn't judging him and acknowledges how it affected Jack, but also emphasises the importance for Jack to finally move back towards life and not dwell on death and guilt forever. I think in a way Jack's character oscillates between the two extremes, sex (as an analogy for life) and death, with all the more complex and complicated emotions somewhere in between that, so for me it works, whether Russell Tovey is indeed going to be in TW and this is going to be a long(er) term thing, or it's really just a brief fling to remind Jack that he's still alive.

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solitary_summer
Jan. 6th, 2010 05:55 pm (UTC)
I didn't say it was a work of genius, but given the respective situations I'm having a hard time coming up with a different solution for a scene that lasted not even one and a half minutes, and was primarily there to give the Doctor some closure. Which would have made not bringing in Jack at all look decidedly odd, although from a TW perspective that might have been an option, since Jack has been a pretty important companion. And I don't think it's about forgetting, or even Jack wanting to forget, not after what he said to Ianto; it's about living again.

RT being in TW would depend on whether or not there's going to be a third season of BH, I guess, or else RTD offering him a role that is rather more substantial than Ianto's was before CoE... But at this point it's all conjecture anyway.

But I realise you're unhappy about the state of DW & TW so I'll really stop now; sorry for rambling on this long.

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moljn
Jan. 10th, 2010 10:21 am (UTC)
Sorry for this late reply from someone you don't know, but I just surfed in and wanted to point out that, FWIW, the bar scene was almost certainly written and shot before CoE aired. Whether it was a reaction to Ianto's popularity, I don't know, but the campaign wouldn't have affected it.
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moljn
Jan. 10th, 2010 10:39 am (UTC)
Glad I could help a little. :-)
solitary_summer
Jan. 10th, 2010 11:09 am (UTC)
Thanks a lot for pointing this out, I didn't even think about that. I googled around a bit and JB was apparently spotted on the set in late April.
moljn
Jan. 10th, 2010 11:21 am (UTC)
You're welcome.

(and, beautiful icon. just wanted to say that, really)
solitary_summer
Jan. 10th, 2010 06:35 pm (UTC)
Thank you! :)

(This is the original photo.)
un_crayon_rouge
Jan. 6th, 2010 11:14 am (UTC)
I'm so happy I'm not even remotely involved in any of that. What I keep thinking whenever you mention it is: don't these people have any *fantasy*? Isn't that what fanfiction is for? You don't like a pairing, an ending, you feel there's a scene or a whole storyline missing? Write it, get it out of your system! But don't force the author to write books or shows or movies the way you'd want them. It just sounds insane.
solitary_summer
Jan. 6th, 2010 12:41 pm (UTC)
But don't force the author to write books or shows or movies the way you'd want them.

What I find pretty mind-boggling is that either way they believe this is going to get them the results they want. I've read RTD's book, and he's very passionate about how writers should remain true to their vision and not let themselves be influenced by fanreaction, and generally should stay clear of internet forums for that very reason. I believe the word 'toxic' came up. He loves what he does and cares about his stories a lot (and is clearly proud of CoE), so he's probably the last person to shrug and say, Oh well, we'll change it back then... Which OTOH at least makes me reasonably sure he isn't going to write anything just to spite them either, which by now I could understand.
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