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This is the first time LJ's changes have actually managed to annoy me, because I use the preview function all the time, several times per comment, and it makes me simply uncomfortable to post a comment to a community without being able to preview it, but it's a fire & frying pan issue, really. I've experimentally gone through the dreamwidth layouts yesterday, and having to look at any of those on a daily basis would probably put me off journalling altogether within a week at the utmost. It's not just the colour schemes, even I could change those, but there's something off about the whole design, fonts and everything, and I don't have the html/css knowledge (or motivation) to fix all that and spend hours turning my journal into something that doesn't actively offend my sense of aesthetics. I've turned off automatic payments yesterday, but to be perfectly honest, it's highly unlikely I'll move, especially since they already fixed the option to separately expand threads from the top comment, and, as the last release suggests, we might be getting back the comment review function.

(And it's not as if the update is a hundred percent horrible, either. Being able to subscribe to comments without having to open a new page? Very neat. Actually, I like being able to comment without having to open a new page, too. New comments marked as such? Also very useful.)

When it comes right down to it, I really don't want to move. DW just isn't my thing. The import function is useful for backup, but on a visceral level I simply can't stand the smug DW evangelism and in the end prefer to put up with LJ's fuck-ups rather than associating myself with the overt gloating that is currently going on on that side. What's more, I actually trust LJ more when it comes to stability and longevity because they are evil money-grabbing capitalists and have a more varied userbase. At least there's some commercial interest to keep the site going. If the DW founder for some reason decides to pack up her things and leave, and life is always unpredictable, what's going to stop her? At best, it's going to be another cycle of Six Apart, SUP, etc.)

In conclusion, not leaving (ETA: or crossposting to/reading entries on/commenting on entries on DW) until further notice.

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un_crayon_rouge
Dec. 22nd, 2011 07:49 am (UTC)
I think I opened a Dreamwidth account once because everyone was doing it and I'm a sheep, but I've never gone back, I doubt I'd even be able to find it. And YES about the smugness, it's the same thing going on on diaspora, and to some extent, even on Google+. Everyone who stays on LiveJournal/Facebook is stupid and evil? Jetzt erst recht, I say.
solitary_summer
Dec. 22nd, 2011 07:59 am (UTC)
I back up my LJ there every few months or so, but that's about it. I was following news yesterday, and someone commented with a DW icon and 'Thanks for all the new users, lj', and I only barely stopped myself from sarcastically replying 'And all of a sudden I'm a lot less inclined to leave, go figure.' Seriously, I'd rather stick with the rude Russians.
calanthe_b
Dec. 22nd, 2011 09:04 am (UTC)
on a visceral level I simply can't stand the smug DW evangelism

After thinking it over since this morning. I've come to the same conclusion. I've been allergic to the holier-than-thou attitude associated with Dreamwidth from the outset, and I'm really not liking it now.
solitary_summer
Dec. 22nd, 2011 09:46 pm (UTC)
Exactly. I still have the custom comment page for my journal, no changes there, and as for the rest, I'll wait and see what happens.
elisi
Dec. 22nd, 2011 07:19 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm caught between the two as well. I have a DW account, it's OK, but... If only I could crosspost the other way, y'know? Because I don't like the look of DW - if only it'd turn blue... ;) (And there is something about DW - it's a bit hippy and flower-power and that sort of evangelism you get from Apple people.)

Anyway, I'm sure you can set your LJ up so you can preview comments. Stoney has a guide here - not sure if that addresses your problem, but you can fiddle with the settings to get stuff working again.
solitary_summer
Dec. 22nd, 2011 10:31 pm (UTC)
My journal is fine since I have custom comments enabled, and theoretically I could also view communities in my style. Right now I'm still hoping the review option (and possibly the subject line) will come back, though. Expecting them to reverse everything is probably pointless, since the changes seem to be part of a large-scale redesign, but at least they might bring back the useful functions. The outcry was certainly loud enough, and the Russians are not uniformly happy either, from what I'm seeing.

The evangelism is what turned me off DW from the start, and I think it generally hasn't helped DW. No one likes to be told that using a different site is tantamount to some kind of moral failing. I'm actually on Apple, but you won't see me going on about how MS is evil incarnate.
elisi
Dec. 22nd, 2011 10:44 pm (UTC)
I'm actually on Apple, but you won't see me going on about how MS is evil incarnate.
Oh I love my Mac too much for words, but still happily use a PC at work...
topaz_eyes
Dec. 22nd, 2011 10:48 pm (UTC)
Oh dear, I adore Dreamwidth. Does this mean I'm one of those dreaded DW evangelicals? *g*

I do understand that the evangelism of some DW users is off-putting, and I side-eye them hard. I understand DW isn't your thing, and really, why move when you don't feel the need to? For me, I lost my patience with LJ's tactics in August 2010 with the linking locked comments to Facebook/Twitter debacle. Yes, LJ rolled it back--only after a sustained storm of protest. LJ keeps repeating its behavior with every change that adversely affects the users. This latest "release" only IMHO proves conclusively that they don't understand their userbase, and they don't care. I really don't want to deal with a site that doesn't keep its users' needs first and foremost. TBH I'm only on LJ because most of fandom is still here. I'd be delighted if fandom decamped to DW en masse, but of course that decision is not mine to make.

I will say DW is superior to LJ in that DW management actually listens to the userbase. In my experience, the minute they hear of a site issue, they're on it, and they keep the users up-to-date on the situation. At least I haven't heard of DW management openly mocking their userbase in public, as igrick has been caught doing on Twitter. :-\

You're right, there's nothing stopping denise from upping and leaving DW. And LJ could shut down tomorrow, too. (I'd say right now, of the two, LJ is more vulnerable, because the Russian government wants it gone, but that's just me.) There's user loyalty, and then there's user complacence, and it seems to me LJ's been banking on the latter for a long time.

Of course though, I am not going to convince you to move. As long as you're happy here, that's what matters.
solitary_summer
Dec. 22nd, 2011 11:23 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend (and you certainly never bothered me); I know I'm not completely rational when it comes to the whole LJ/DW issue. Like I said, this is the first change that made me seriously consider leaving, but I've been here since 2002, by far the longest I've been active on any site, and... *sigh* At this point it feels like home, despite or evem because of its periodic bouts of dysfunction.

(Also, the Russian side of LJ is incredibly useful to me for language learning purposes... )
topaz_eyes
Dec. 22nd, 2011 11:51 pm (UTC)
No, no, I'm not offended at all! I'm sorry, that first paragraph was meant to be entirely tongue-in-cheek.

I hear you about the LJ/DW issue. Sometimes I want to tell the DW evangelists, stop making our side look bad. The Facebook/Twitter change was my personal tipping point because if there is a cyber-evil, IMHO it is Facebook, and just the thought of being able to link a Facebook account to an LJ account is anathema to me. That's probably not completely rational either. LJ, DW, it's all good when there's a way to meet each other in the middle.
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