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Okay, this one has probably been discussed up & down & sideways at the time somewhere else without me ever noticing, because I just wasn't very interested in Jack/Gwen other than not seeing it happen, but from Gwen's comment in Sleeper about Jack's manners in bed, with a hastily added 'Apparently, so I've heard,'did she ever sleep with Jack, or just talk to Ianto a lot while Jack was away? And if it's the former, when would that have happened?

I still find all the sudden Jack/Gwen not-even-subtext in S2 a bit odd, because as I saw it in S1 the sexual tension between them more or less evaporated after Ghost Machine when Jack let the silence stretch for a little too long after Gwen's 'Doesn't it get lonely at night?', and Gwen turned to Owen for comfort a couple of episodes later. But it's undeniably there in S2—and it's not even so much Jack, who may love her in whatever not-quite-platonic way he does, and may not be happy at the prospect of possibly losing her to her non-TW life, but I think has always been always realistic enough to know that he'll never be someone who'll make her happy; it's Gwen who does seem to be waiting for him to say something when she says 'Well, no one else will have me', only once again he doesn't. Or again when they talk about the wedding at the end of Sleeper. And Jack sends her home again—'Keep doing what we do', and in the looks exchanged between them there does seem to be a sort of understanding that it isn't going to happen, although it's definitely seems to be more his decision than hers.

Strange.

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elisi
Oct. 26th, 2009 11:09 pm (UTC)
Re: 2/2
He allows her to see into the secret kingdom, then takes it away from her against her will and only jokes that it's a pity she won't be able to remember him either.
This just made me realise another way in which Gwen and Ianto are opposites (sort of) - Gwen is trying to discover a secret kingdom, something that seems magical and impossible, and - as you say - Jack gives it to her, only to take it back. Ianto on the other hand knows *exactly* what Torchwood is ('That's what Torchwood does - it ruins your life!'), and Jack does the opposite - he refuses to take away Ianto's traumatic experiences, both after Canary Wharf, and again after Cyberwoman. (Not that Ianto exactly asks for retcon, but in Fragments at least, Jack very clearly says 'You're not my problem!')

If I was more awake I might be able to make more of this. I love your thoughts!
solitary_summer
Oct. 26th, 2009 11:45 pm (UTC)
Re: 2/2
and Jack does the opposite - he refuses to take away Ianto's traumatic experiences, both after Canary Wharf, and again after Cyberwoman. (Not that Ianto exactly asks for retcon, but in Fragments at least, Jack very clearly says 'You're not my problem!')

I may be mistaken, but I think that after Cyberwoman he would have, if Ianto had wanted it and had left, but I also think he was impressed when Ianto chose to live with the memories, the pain and the consequences.
elisi
Oct. 27th, 2009 09:18 am (UTC)
Re: 2/2
I think Ianto probably *expected* him to (like Owen - there's no walking away), so they might have been caught between Ianto's expectations of Jack just doing it, and Jack waiting for Ianto to ask... Which is where we enter fic territory. :)

But as you say, I think Jack was impressed - both with Ianto's choice, and also with the fact that he'd managed to fool Jack so completely. Conning a conman is quite the feat!

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